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The Fiber Myth
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Taka
2009-02-27 16:39:34 UTC
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The Tail End of the Fiber Myth

October 13, 2000, FoxNews.com

If you’ve been shoveling down high-fiber cereals every morning in
hopes of preventing colon cancer, you can stop. The 30-year old notion
that cereal fiber reduces colon cancer risk is turning out to be yet
another government-sanctioned myth. It may be time for the Food and
Drug Administration to butt out of our colons.

A study published in this week’s The Lancet reports that a “... high-
fiber diet and supplementation with wheat bran fiber may not be
effective strategies for the prevention of [colon cancer].” By itself
the study would not be overly persuasive. But it is the fourth study
in a major medical journal in the last two years to reach the same
conclusion, including a January 1999 study in the New England Journal
of Medicine that followed about 89,000 women over a period of 16
years.

How did the myth get started?

British medical missionary Dr. Denis Burkitt gave birth to the idea
that dietary fiber reduced colon cancer risk in 1971. Burkitt observed
— almost casually, not in any scientific manner — that poor rural
Africans had much less colon cancer than Westerners. He theorized this
was due to the Africans’ fiber-rich diet.

The idea was that larger, fastermoving stools reduced the colon’s
exposure to carcinogenic bile acids. The theory’s intuitive appeal
propelled it to become conventional wisdom. But it lacked persuasive
scientific support. Some studies seemed to support the theory; others
did not. None of the studies were particularly well-designed — they
tended to be retrospective in nature, relying on unverified self-
reports of subjects’ dietary and lifestyle habits .

The National Research Council, the research arm of the National
Academy of Sciences, thought the theory was so speculative that it
declined in 1982 to make a specific recommendation about dietary fiber
and colon cancer.

Eventually, though, commercial interests perceived value in the theory
and the scientific controversy became a memory.

In 1984, cereal manufacturer Kellogg placed a message on its All Bran
cereal claiming scientific evidence linking a high fiber diet with a
reduction in colon cancer risk. The FDA took no action against
Kellogg, though the action seemed to defy a longstanding FDA rule
prohibiting healthrelated message on food products.

The National Research Council reversed itself and came out in favor of
a link between dietary fiber a reduced colon cancer risk in 1989 —
though the state of the science had not changed. A 1990 federal law
clarified the FDA’s authority over food label content and the agency
subsequently issued rules permitting health-claims labeling provided
there was some scientific support.

In a 1997 effort to boost stagnant cereal product sales, Kellogg
petitioned the FDA for permission to make the claim that some of its
products contain ingredients that may help prevent certain cancers,
especially colon cancer. In July 1999, the FDA permitted whole-grain
foods to claim on their labels that “diets rich in wholegrain foods
and other plant foods and low in total fat, saturated fat and
cholesterol may reduce the risk of heart disease and certain
cancers.”

The FDA did not give the scientific research on wholegrain foods the
scrutiny that goes into the approval of a new drug. Instead, the
agency relied on recommendations made by the NRC 10 years earlier. The
FDA ignored the New England Journal of Medicine study that was
published six months before the approval of the Kellogg petition —
even though it was largest study ever on dietary fiber and colon
cancer.

The result of the FDA’s scientific sloth is that millions of consumers
will continue to be misled for the foreseeable future about an
important health issue — all the while choking down bran cereals and
imagining they’re preventing colon cancer. Certainly whole grains are
part of a balanced diet. But by overestimating the benefits, many will
have a false sense of security.

And while the FDA is allowing companies to market junk science-fueled
myths, the agency uses junk science to remove a product with known
benefits. Maybe you’ve noticed that your favorite laxative doesn’t
work as well as it used to.

Researchers from the U.S. Government’s National Toxicology Program
reported to the FDA in April 1997 that mice fed high doses of the
compound phenolphthalein had higher rates of cancer. At the time,
phenolphthalein was the most effective active ingredient in laxative
products.

The FDA bullied laxative manufacturers to reformulate their products
without phenolphthalein despite that: (1) the mice were genetically
engineered to be more susceptible to cancer — they were, in a sense,
“cancer time bombs”; (2) the doses of phenolphthalein were 30 times
higher than consumer use; and (3) phenolphthalein was used as a
laxative ingredient for more than 100 years with absolutely no
indication of increased cancer risk among users.

The several scientific studies published after the FDA decision also
failed to link laxative-use with increased cancer risk.

Hey, who needs laxatives when you’ve got bran?

President Clinton this week announced a new effort to fight colon
cancer, including among other recommendations that adults over the age
of 50 years have annual colon cancer screenings. There are an
estimated 130,000 new cases of, and more than 50,000 deaths from colon
cancer every year.

Colon cancer may be cured if detected early enough. It’s too bad there
doesn’t seem to be any cure for junk science at the FDA.

SOURCE: http://www.junkscience.com/foxnews/fn101300.htm
Taka
2009-02-27 16:45:15 UTC
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See also:

http://www.gutsense.org/fibermenace/about_fm.html

"You might be surprised to find out that the original intent behind
fiber consumption wasn’t the betterment of your health, but the
suppression of sexuality! As this book explains, fiber has indeed
succeeded at rendering a great many men and women sexually
dysfunctional."

and

"A low fiber diet has been proven not to be the cause of constipation
and the success of fiber intake as treatment is modest. The study
reviewed conducted by Voderholzer et al showed that only 20% of slow
transit patients benefited from fiber. Further data suggests that
while many patients may be helped by a fiber-rich diet, some actually
suffer from worse symptoms when increasing their fiber intake."

SOURCE: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050111122655.htm
Taka
2009-02-27 16:46:06 UTC
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http://www.gutsense.org/fibermenace/fm_transcript.html
s***@man.com
2009-02-27 20:10:12 UTC
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The keep the stool moving school has given way to the short chain fatty
acids from soluble non-digestable fibers via bacteria metabolism is the
current school on the topic as to modifying colon cancer risk..
m***@lycos.com
2009-02-27 20:59:18 UTC
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What is your source for this "short chain fatty acids" claim, and
what, exactly is that claim? If you look at basic information web
sites, such as:

http://www.healthcastle.com/fiber-solubleinsoluble.shtml

you don't necessarily find any such discussion.

Basically, if your diet is rich in oxidized cholesterol and PUFAs, the
soluble fiber might be somewhat useful, depending upon many factors,
but you need to be concerned about its anti-nutritional qualities. I
eat bran flakes, but won't eat any major source of soluble fiber,
because I don't want the anti-nutritive qualities, including lowering
cholesterol. I want my cholesterol in the 200-220 range, as it was on
my last blood test, because that is best for overall mortality, and
also I don't oxidized my cholesterol, due to my diet (and I don't eat
more than tiny, insignificant amounts of oxidized cholesterol).
s***@man.com
2009-02-27 23:48:41 UTC
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"What is your source for this "short chain fatty acids" claim, and
what, exactly is that claim? If you look at basic information web
sites, such as:

http://www.healthcastle.com/fiber-solubleinsoluble.shtml

you don't necessarily find any such discussion."

I base it on having followed the research journals in areas in which the
microbiology and fiber topics are discussed, for about the past 9 years.

The link above only touches on the surface topics. Use pubmed and the
relevant search terms as the best place to get started. I might suggest
"scfas cancer".
m***@lycos.com
2009-02-28 20:31:56 UTC
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If you cannot cite one source, you don't understand basic academic
standards. Nevertheless, I will cite one for you, which supports my
suggestion to eat insoluble rather than soluble fiber:

Journal of Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition, Vol. 18, No. 1, 14-19
(1994).

TITLE: Apparent Fiber Digestibility and Fecal Short-Chain Fatty Acid
Concentrations With Ingestion of Two Types of Dietary Fiber.

Department of Food Science and Nutrition, University of Minnesota, St.
Paul

Short-chain fatty acids (SCFAs) are products of dietary fiber
fermentation. As such, fiber digestibility is thought to be related to
SCFA production. The effects of two concentrations of cereal fiber as
wheat bran (WB) and vegetable fiber (VF) on fiber digestibility were
examined in 34 free-living volunteers. Five diets consisting of a
fiber-free liquid nutrition supplement and quick breads containing
either (1) 0 g of fiber, (2) 10 g of WB, (3) 30 g of WB, (4) 10 g of
VF, or (5) 30 g of VF were consumed in random order. Apparent
digestibility of neutral detergent fiber (NDF) was determined. Colonic
fluid, collected by in vivo dialysis in 9 subjects, was analyzed for
SCFAs by gas chromatography. Digestibility of NDF was greater with WB
than with VF ingestion in those 9 subjects, but digestibility was not
different with ingestion of both fibers when all 34 subjects were
considered. No effect of intake level was seen with either WB or VF.
Fiber ingestion increased acetate, propionate, and butyrate
concentrations above those on the 0 g of fiber diet (43%, 31%, and
90%, respectively; p < .0001). Propionate and butyrate concentrations
were greater on WB than VF (p < .01); acetate concentrations were
similar with both fibers. No correlation between NDF digestibility and
SCFA concentrations was observed. Despite differences in origin,
chemistry, particle size, and subject transit time, the WB and VF were
similar in NDF fermentability. Molar ratios of specific SCFAs were
influenced by type of fiber ingested. (Journal of Parenteral and
Enteral Nutrition 18:14-19, 1994)
s***@man.com
2009-02-28 21:18:21 UTC
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"If you cannot cite one source, you don't understand basic academic
standards. Nevertheless, I will cite one for you, which supports my
suggestion to eat insoluble rather than soluble fiber:"

This group is not a journal and there is little evidence of that level
of discussion being done nor people who do it posting.

I told you how to get at the discussion that has been going on about
scfas and cancer for some time now.

If you want to bring yourself up to speed on real world research then
follow that line. I'm not prepared to do your homework for you. You
are ignorant of what research has been done, that point is not
debatable.
RF
2009-03-01 04:27:00 UTC
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Post by s***@man.com
"If you cannot cite one source, you don't understand basic academic
standards. Nevertheless, I will cite one for you, which supports my
suggestion to eat insoluble rather than soluble fiber:"
This group is not a journal and there is little evidence of that level
of discussion being done nor people who do it posting.
I told you how to get at the discussion that has been going on about
scfas and cancer for some time now.
If you want to bring yourself up to speed on real world research then
follow that line. I'm not prepared to do your homework for you. You
are ignorant of what research has been done, that point is not
debatable.
This agrument got completely lost on me.

Whoever is looking for sources of info on fiber
should learn something from:

DrWeil.com
http://206.188.28.100/search?site=my_collection&client=my_collection&proxystylesheet=my_collection&output=xml_no_dtd&q=fiber

Mayo Clinic
http://www.mayoclinic.com and Search
using the word fiber
m***@lycos.com
2009-03-01 05:27:49 UTC
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Yes, this guy is a real clown. The group is called sci.med.nutrition,
not gossip.innuendo.blather
s***@man.com
2009-03-01 18:38:14 UTC
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"If you cannot cite one source, you don't understand basic academic
standards. Nevertheless, I will cite one for you, which supports my
suggestion to eat insoluble rather than soluble fiber:"

This group is not a journal and there is little evidence of that level
of discussion being done nor people who do it posting.

I told you how to get at the discussion that has been going on about
scfas and cancer for some time now.

If you want to bring yourself up to speed on real world research then
follow that line. I'm not prepared to do your homework for you. You
are ignorant of what research has been done, that point is not
debatable.

"Yes, this guy is a real clown. The group is called sci.med.nutrition,
not gossip.innuendo.blather"

When news groups were first setup real academic level information was
exchanged between people engagued in research on the topic.
. That time has passed at least a decade and more.
Now it seems mostly to serve for some form of ego outlet for the
instant expert since becoming public in nature.

I made no presentation as to the standing of the current thinking about
short chain fatty acids and cancer, I pointed out that there is a body
of research of long standing now that does address the question.

Do your own homework on the topic using the pointers given. Then you
too can speak from an informed position and not from that of which you
are currently ignorant.

I could care less what that turns out to be. I could care less what your
dietary habits nor why they appeal to you.
m***@lycos.com
2009-03-01 20:34:34 UTC
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Well, until you start citing actual evidence, you will remain on the
"clown" list !
s***@man.com
2009-03-01 21:14:44 UTC
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oxidizing
"Yes, this guy is a real clown. The group is called sci.med.nutrition,
not gossip.innuendo.blather"

When news groups were first setup real academic level information was
exchanged between people engagued in research on the topic.
. That time has passed at least a decade and more.
Now it seems mostly to serve for some form of ego outlet for the
instant expert since becoming public in nature.

I made no presentation as to the standing of the current thinking about
short chain fatty acids and cancer, I pointed out that there is a body
of research of long standing now that does address the question.

Do your own homework on the topic using the pointers given. Then you
too can speak from an informed position and not from that of which you
are currently ignorant.

I could care less what that turns out to be. I could care less what your
dietary habits nor why they appeal to you.

"Well, until you start citing actual evidence, you will remain on the
"clown" list !"

Smile, as you wish, you are still ignorant of the body of research. All
this posturing it seems for mere face saving.

I don't have to cite anything as I have not made any representation
about anything. If ignorance is bliss, be my guest.

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